Inking on Web Pages - Discussion

Microsoft

We have received a lot of feedback about supporting inking annotations for web pages like what we have in the current version of Microsoft Edge. Many users have told us that they use this functionality as a daily driver and would like to see it in the new version of Microsoft Edge as well. We would like to understand the scenarios in which you would use this functionality. Details about what you use it for, what are the expectations about availability of different tools, saving and sharing options etc. would be extremely useful in making sure we provide the best user experience to you. Your input will help us making sure that the feature works best for you. 

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Right now it's missing some features, it's a work in progress, let it be completed and then we can compare it ^^
also I don't have legacy Edge installed so can't tell exactly.

Please add the feature that allow user to ignore touch input for drawing feature when they are using a pen. thanks

...still waiting to get the feature...

@Elliot Kirk The whole reason I went from Mac to PC was because of the notes feature on Edge. Had I known this would happen, I would have never bought my Yoga 730.... This feature needs to come back soon otherwise I will be going back to Mac, and telling people to do the same.

I really miss the inking on the web when it comes to teaching distance learners. I can't write on their online work while sharing the screen. I have to snip, go into my whiteboard, paste and then demonstrate what they got correct or incorrect. Those extra steps waste a lot of time whe you're trying to help 20 students and only have 50 minutes. Why is it still MIA?

@Elliot Kirk 

I would use the inking feature to annotate articles I have to read for school. I'd also use it to do my math on Khan Academy/Deltamath to write directly on Edge instead of having to tab over to OneNote and write my work there.

This is in todays update of Canary... Version 87.0.654.0 (Official build) canary (64-bit)
Settings/appearance .

Dennis5mile
Did you add a picture to your comment? because if you did I can't see it
No, no picture just words :)

Dennis5mile
Oh okay, thought something wasn't loading for me lol

Hi! I am an ESL teacher. Inking on web pages is an awesome feature of assistive technology to highlight ideas and concepts for research and reading comprehension, for just  for instance .  I used to work with it very much.

@Elliot Kirk I wonder why MS didn't solicit feedback on use of the feature before it was removed?  I agree with several people that it was the main reason I used Edge (well this and the quick save of open tabs).  It is also one of the features that is used to sell Surface products so it is hard to fathom why it would be removed as if nobody would notice.  The snipping tool update is a poor substitute.  I want to draw on a live web page.  For example, I have a conference schedule with all of the Zoom links for the workshop sessions.  I want to highlight or check the sessions I will attend but still have the live connection links available to me.  I do legal research so I want to make notations or highlights in published cases and still have live links to cited cases and statutes so I can easily jump to them.  I also want to save these highlighted cases for future use.  I know that I can download documents to Word or Adobe but the drawing features in Adobe aren't as robust as those that Edge used to have.  Word is better but not all content can be converted easily to Word and it is a lot of extra steps.  Plus, it isn't even clear how to download a page.  In FireFox it is one click, easy peasy.  Return of this feature needs to be a priority if you don't want to make Edge obsolete.

@CDBETTS 


@CDBETTS wrote:

@Elliot Kirk I wonder why MS didn't solicit feedback on use of the feature before it was removed?  I agree with several people that it was the main reason I used Edge (well this and the quick save of open tabs).  It is also one of the features that is used to sell Surface products so it is hard to fathom why it would be removed as if nobody would notice.  The snipping tool update is a poor substitute.  I want to draw on a live web page.  For example, I have a conference schedule with all of the Zoom links for the workshop sessions.  I want to highlight or check the sessions I will attend but still have the live connection links available to me.  I do legal research so I want to make notations or highlights in published cases and still have live links to cited cases and statutes so I can easily jump to them.  I also want to save these highlighted cases for future use.  I know that I can download documents to Word or Adobe but the drawing features in Adobe aren't as robust as those that Edge used to have.  Word is better but not all content can be converted easily to Word and it is a lot of extra steps.  Plus, it isn't even clear how to download a page.  In FireFox it is one click, easy peasy.  Return of this feature needs to be a priority if you don't want to make Edge obsolete.


But they didn't remove it, they made a new browser from ground up and they had to remake that feature again. so there wasn't anything to solicit. but now they are and user feedbacks heavily impact the future of Edge, we see it every week.

 

Good thing is, this feature is currently implemented, not 100% but you can try it out if you install Edge Dev (or canary)

Download Microsoft Edge Insider Channels

 

They call it Web Capture now

Introducing web capture for Microsoft Edge - Microsoft Tech Community

 

at this moment I'm writing this comment, you can:

  1. take screenshots of the web pages
  2. take scrolling/long screenshots of web pages
  3. Draw/Ink on web pages
  4. Erase your Drawing/Inking
  5. Save your web capture
  6. Copy your Web capture
  7. Share your Web capture straight to OneNote or other apps for further work on them

 

more options are on the way 

@Elliot Kirk Please enable the inking on web pages on this new Edge browser (The entire toolbar, highlighting, inking, erasing, snipping, sharing tools) which already existed on Edge legacy.

 

Everyone who sees the feature will know what it is, and there is no confusion. So, a setting could be enabled to turn this feature on. That way, people can choose if they want it or not. They won't feel like this feature was forced on them.

 

Everyone loved this feature, and used it a lot. Please enable the one note like inking toolbar.

 

Hope this will be taken into consideration, and implemented for the betterment of edge, and the satisfaction of the users.

 

Thank you

@Elliot Kirk 

I'm glad to see you're adding this feature. But I hope you will improve the pen and touch support, which is really poor, especially considering that the whole point of this feature is to draw with a pen on a touchscreen. Some of the problems are:

  • I can click and drag with a mouse to capture more of the page than fits the screen, but I can't do this with touch or pen.
  • There is no pen and touch input separation. I want to use the pen to draw and touch to pan, and I don't want to have to tap on the "Draw" button after I have already tapped on the "Add notes" button.

Please also add undo functionality.

@Elliot Kirk Inking is finally here! Thanks for taking the users' feedback. :smile:

@Kam 

I'm a longstanding, huge MS fan, so please take note of that when reading my response below.

It's meant as constructive feedback to Microsoft's Edge team. It's a little harsh, but it's needed. 

 

  1. The Web Capture feature is a very poor cousin to the original Edge Inking feature.
  2. Web Capture cannot be compared to the original feature from a User Experience perspective (forget the underlying technology).
  3. I'm very frustrated with Microsoft Edge team's approach to this matter. 

You need to understand that people paid thousands of dollars for Surface devices, with rich inking functionality as the driver for many purchases. 

Then, without consultation, MS Edge team removed the old browser and replaced it with something that removed this functionality.

 

You can't regress functionality for features people have paid thousands of dollars for. 

It's careless and non-customer centered thinking and behavior like this that frustrates loyal customers and makes them turn to other platforms, and deeply tarnishes Microsoft's Brand and Reputation.

 

It's borderline lawsuit.

 

Such appalling handling of the matter infuriates me. It's been a year or so since I've not been able to use this feature.

I don't care if it's on the old edge or the new one, but it needs to be a seamless experience to users.

 

- if approach to edge is to have 2 browser versions, then they should be able to live side-by-side, in an easy to install and supported configuration

- if approach to edge is to have only one browser version, then make it feature complete before releasing to and removing the old one

Simple. Put your Customer Hat on, and it's plain clear & simple.

 

Think about the users of your applications and the ecosystems they've bought into.

You can't be so rash and dismissive of the premium devices people have purchased to use these features.

 

I've paid over AUD $7,000 on a surface book 2 and surface pro. In the last year I've not been able to use this feature which was a key decider in my purchases. I use it for various things which some may question the value of, and say there are other ways to do something similar.

 

But the point is:

- I saw, I liked (loved actually) decided to go ahead and paid a lot of money for what I wanted. You can't just take that away.

- I've been without the feature for a year!

- the so-called 'replacement' feature is deeply insulting. It's a joke! It's just a screen clip with a poor scrolling implementation that means it's impractical to use on long web pages where I used to do my research.

 

Can't express how frustrated and disappointed I am, and these attempts to convince us that the feature is back in the form of Web Capture is deeply insulting.

Comments about it being a new browser, built from the ground up are totally irrelevant. Customers only see the end product, only get one product, and the product "upgrade?" is missing the key feature that drove them to spend thousands of dollars on Surface devices.

 

There's been no end of plead's from the community to bring back the feature. 

I can't believe a product manager wouldn't make this their highest priority, above pretty much all else when replacing the old edge.

Poor performance. Please lift your game.

@MinasCasiou I agree on both sides, but you guys on this thread have been asking for it and be happy with what you get.

@Kam  Please tell me that you are not an official spokesperson for Microsoft making such a consumer dismissive statement.  The bottom line is that the Edge team made a tactical error by failing to communicate with consumers before eliminating functionality that Microsoft's sales people trumpet when selling Microsoft's Surface hardware.  Communication in the multiple threads on this issue has been tone deaf.  A poor substitute for the former functionality won't cut it.  No, we won't be happy with it.  It is time for the team to start listening rather than defending a poor decision.  A remade feature has to have the functionality of the original and improve on it.  The Edge team needs to work on this feature and work on communication.  

 

I take a lot of flack for sticking by Microsoft through thick and thin.  I'm a former employee and had the same issues with the company in the 90's that I see here - there is a disconnect between dev and the day to day users.  Your job is to say, "I'm listening.  Tell me what is important to you."  The dev process should start after listening, not before.